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Plight Of The Black Conservatives: Negros must vote for Obama or else!

Monday, April 21st, 2008


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This is a portion from the chronic Negro liberal Oliver Willis


“the vast majority of blacks engaged in politics are moving forward you have a miniscule few who for whatever the reason (I tend to think its for them to adopt a contrarian pose) will vote Republican. As a result, they are outliers within their own race and essentially position themselves against the tide of black history. The tried and true response of black conservatives is to look at themselves as some kind of hero or martyrs. The larger conservative movement, unable to attract a sizable percentage of black votes, trumpets these kinds of stories again and again. Like this blog post from the hard-right Human Events:

Blacks who will vote for McCain this fall are some of the most courageous people on the planet, because of the extreme social scorn they will face from their left-wing black counterparts.

It takes courage to challenge the dominant social order. It took courage for Elia Kazan to battle pro-Communist sentiment in the 1950s. It took courage for Martin Luther King to fight Jim Crow in the 1960s. It took courage for Ronald Reagan to confront institutionalized liberalism in the 1980s. Likewise, it will take courage for black Republicans like [Michael] Steele to combat “Obama-ism” in the late-2000s.

Of course, a black person supporting McCain is not courageous at all. If you want to truly compare it to the 1960s its the equivalent of seeing Bull Connor sic dogs on people and saying “Hey guys, let’s cool it on all this civil rights stuff, we may upset some people.”

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This is another in the long line of clueless Negros who will stop at nothing at dissing Negros who exhibits any measure of independent thought.
Just for the record if asshole happens to read this, I am not planning on voting for McCain because he is a closet liberal sellout Republican weasel like a great many of current idiot fuck Republicans like the moron Governor of Indiana.

I do not vote for nor have I ever voted for “an individual” as much as I vote for principles, which is the primary reason why I will not waist my time voting for McCain in November.
I see him in the same mold as idiot fuck Newt pimping climate change bullshit with that liberal hack Nancy Pelosi. Newt is one of a growing crop if RINO’s who believes in compromising with idiot fuck liberals when I believe they should be doing the opposite.

As far as his post referring to anti-Obama Negros as “martyrs” and that fellow Negro conservative “prop up policies that hurt black America” is simply embarrassingly retarded and intellectually vacant.

As I have said many times on this blog, as a black man Obama’s ascension to the presidency is not high on my priority list nor will his presidency make me more of a man or a better black man. And just as any idiot liberal, Obama’s policies will no doubt keep way too many black folks, uneducated, unmotivated and impoverished. No amount of right wing Negro conservative bashing I hear from clueless Negros hacks will make me think otherwise.
This is why black folks are so fucked now because most are damm sheep and end up raising fucked up kids like the one in the “kill Bush” video below.

Instead of these stupid Niggas writing these fucken moronic posts castigating Negros who refuses to buy into Obama’s or any other Democrat bullshit try educating me on just how the Magic Negro plans to magically stop Niggas from killing each other, snorting child support payments up their noses, taking care of their kids and dropping out of school at an alarming rate. Then the ears may perk up.

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Moonbattery watch

Thursday, February 21st, 2008


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Two stories from Moonbattery…I don’t know whether or not to be worried, pissed off or just completely annoyed.


(link) Moonbattery makes all things possible — except for good things. Professional bloviator Rhonda B. Graham, who is black, has called for the reinstitution of slavery.

Of course, it wouldn’t be called slavery, but rather “enforced community service.” She praises a plan by failed presidential candidate Chris Dodd to impose it. Reagan’s call for volunteerism was no good, because it was voluntary. But so long as it’s coerced, “volunteerism” will exemplify “the new American patriotism at work.” Clodd wants to sentence all high school students to performed 100 hours of community service, as though they were criminals.

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San Franfreakshow Eco-Nazis Root through GarbageTo advance its fanciful goal of recycling 75% of all waste by 2010, San Francisco bureauweenies are now rooting through people’s garbage in search of items that should have gone in the recycling bin.

Those who have failed to sort their garbage in accordance with the latest regulations first get a note, then a letter, then a knock on the door by the Garbage Police. Fines will soon follow.

CBS 5 has a video report, featuring a guy who claims to have been framed by someone else using his trash can. Tell it to the judge!

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California Seeks Thermostat Control

Friday, January 11th, 2008


thermostat.jpgBy FELICITY BARRINGERSAN FRANCISCO



 The conceit in the 1960s show “The Outer Limits” was that outside forces had taken control of your television set.

Next year in California, state regulators are likely to have the emergency power to control individual thermostats, sending temperatures up or down through a radio-controlled device that will be required in new or substantially modified houses and buildings to manage electricity shortages.

The proposed rules are contained in a document circulated by the California Energy Commission, which for more than three decades has set state energy efficiency standards for home appliances, like water heaters, air conditioners and refrigerators. The changes would allow utilities to adjust customers’ preset temperatures when the price of electricity is soaring. Customers could override the utilities’ suggested temperatures. But in emergencies, the utilities could override customers’ wishes.

Final approval is expected next month.

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Santa Claus Politics

Wednesday, January 2nd, 2008

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By Thomas Sowell - Real Clear Politics

Senator Hillary Clinton’s Christmas commercial, showing various government programs as presents under a Christmas tree, was a classic example of calculated confusion in politics.Anyone who believes that the government can give the country presents has fallen for the oldest political illusion of all — the illusion of something for nothing.

Santa Claus may turn out to be the real front-runner in the primaries, judging by the way candidates are vying with one another to give away government goodies to the voters.

Santa Claus is bipartisan. The Bush administration is unveiling its plan to rescue people who gambled and lost in the housing markets when the bubble burst.

We now have a bipartisan tradition of the government stepping in to rescue people who engaged in risky behavior — whether by locating in the known paths of hurricanes in Florida or in areas repeatedly hit by wildfires over the years in California or by doing things that increase the probability of catching AIDS.

Why not also rescue people who gambled away their life’s savings in Las Vegas? That would at least be consistent.

Apparently the only people who are supposed to be responsible are the taxpayers — and they are increasingly made responsible for other people’s irresponsibility.

Military conscription is long gone. But taxpayers are still being conscripted to play Santa Claus.

If taking our money and wasting it — or, rather, using it to buy votes — was all the damage that politicians did to the economy, that would be Utopia compared to all the damage they actually do.

What’s more, politicians can picture themselves as the solutions to our economic problems, when in fact they are the biggest economic problem of all.

To this day, there are people who believe that the market economy failed when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that the Great Depression of the 1930s that followed required government intervention.

In reality, the stock market crashed by almost exactly the same amount on almost the same day in 1987 — and 20 years of prosperity, low inflation and low unemployment followed.

What was the difference?

Politicians — first President Hoover and then President Roosevelt — decided that they had to “do something” after the stock market crash of 1929.

In 1987, President Ronald Reagan decided to do nothing — despite bitter criticisms in the media — and the economy recovered on its own and kept on growing.

To people who think the government should “do something” — and this includes most of the media — it would never occur to them to compare the actual track record of what happens when the government does something and what happens when it lets the market adjust by itself.

Back in 1971, President Richard Nixon responded to widespread demands that he “do something” about rising prices by imposing wage and price controls that got him re-elected in a landslide. Moreover, the later damage to the economy was seldom blamed on those price controls.

Recently, Professor N. Gregory Mankiw of Harvard, a former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, noted that people in Congress and the White House were wondering what they should do about the current economic situation. His suggestion: “Absolutely nothing.”

It is not just free market economists who think the government can do more harm than good when they intervene in the economy. It was none other than Karl Marx who referred to “crackbrained meddling by the authorities” that can “aggravate an existing crisis.”

Ronald Reagan and Karl Marx did not have much in common, except that they had both studied economics.

After the departure of Senator Phil Gramm and House Majority Leader Dick Armey, Congress has been an economics-free zone. There is not one economist among the 535 members of Congress.

But, in an election year, that is not a political handicap. Santa Claus has won far more elections than any economist.

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“Bench ‘em!”

Thursday, December 6th, 2007

Found this clip on Betsy’s Page 

Republican Congressman Eric Cantor’s team has put out this video to look back on the first year of the Democratic Congress.


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Nanny State

Thursday, November 1st, 2007

Frontpage Interview with David Harsanyi, award-winning columnist at The Denver Post.

In addition to a thrice-weekly column, his writings on politics and culture have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, Weekly Standard, National Review, New York Press, Christian Science Monitor, Jerusalem Post, Toronto Globe & Mail, The Hill, Sports Illustrated Online, and numerous other publications.

He’s also a regular guest on radio and television shows across the country, including PBS, NPR and Fox News. He is the author of the new book, Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists, and other Boneheaded Bureaucrats are Turning America into a Nation of Children.

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The only problem with the slippery slope….

Thursday, October 25th, 2007

fatty.jpgIs that the bottom eventually arrives:

A radical plan to improve the nation’s health - including a workplace “exercise hour” - has been unveiled by a leading Government adviser.New figures today show England is the fattest country in the EU. Now Professor Julian Le Grand, chairman of Health England, hopes to encourage people to improve their diets, give up smoking and exercise more.

He proposed the introduction of a smoking permit, which smokers would be required to show each time they bought tobacco. It is then their choice to go smoke free and not buy a permit.

Companies with more than 500 staff would have an ” exercise hour”. Employees would have to deliberately choose not to join in…

Not join in for now, they mean. It’s easy to say that this is just England. And it’s easy to note (as the article does) that this is still the opposite of current government policy. But the problem remains that it is still obscenely logical. And if it follows from the premise, it will eventually arrive.

Read the rest from El Borak

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Calif. bans smoking in cars with kids…S-CHIP expansionists’ heads explode

Thursday, October 11th, 2007

ban-smoke-car.jpgFrom Michelle Malkin: Calif. bans smoking in cars with kids…S-CHIP expansionists’ heads explode

Here’s the story:

California motorists will risk fines of up to $100 next year if they are caught smoking in cars with minors, making their state the third to protect children in vehicles from secondhand smoke.Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday signed a bill that will make it an infraction to smoke in a vehicle if someone under age 18 is present. But the traffic stop would have to be made for another offense, such as speeding or an illegal turn, before the driver could be cited for smoking.

The ban, which takes effect Jan. 1, joins a string of smoking prohibitions adopted in California, including a ban on smoking in enclosed workplaces and within 25 feet of a playground.

Briefly, true story, I swear, while riding the back of my parents car on one of our long road trips, while struggling to breathe, I told my father that one day smoking in a car with a kid in the back should be and would be one day made illegal!

He thought I was being ridiculous, said that I was overreacting, and told me that if the government ever restricted what he did as a parent from spanking his child to smoking in his own car the world in essence would be coming to an end. He also said that regardless of how you feel about smoking you should never support allowing the government to dictate how you live your life on any matter.

Well my reply today is not that profound, and some of y’all might be shocked by what I’m about to bang out on this keyboard, but if you have a kid and you choose to poison them with your nasty ass habit(s), I’ll just chalk your kids pending illness and potential death to gene pool eradication.

Now some of you who are still bitching and moaning about smoking in public places as far as I’m concerned fuck you, I am so happy that I can go to a restaurant and not smell nasty ass cigarette smoke and can enjoy my meal.
I’ve said countless times I don’t understand the selfishness behind people who smoke in restaurants.
Now bars well that tis different, they are for the bored and lonely masses, a place to try and “hook-up” and its stressful trying to decide whether or not to make that first move.
Others use bars to find that personal refuge from family, nagging wives, girlfriends or irritating kids, others to wind down after a hard day at work. Yes Snoop understands I’m not a total smoking Nazi.

Now although I find smoking exceedingly repugnant, banning it in your car or your residence is going overboard. However if I were a landlord, I would charge extra for smoking, just like I would for having a pet. I of course would never buy a vehicle that was smoked in, or purchase a home from people who smoked.

However I don’t agree with the recently passed ordinance in a California town that prohibits smoking in multi-family dwellings, but thumbs up to what is being proposed by some employers, making folks pay higher health premiums who smoke.

It simply goes back to personal responsibility, if you choose to smoke yourself and your kids to death have at it. If I can’t smell your smoke, have at it, feel free to coat those lungs with tar and have little Billy light up with ya.

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Where are you crazy bastards who are supporting Mrs. Bill Clinton!?

Friday, June 22nd, 2007

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SENATOR CLAIMS: BOXER/CLINTON WANT ‘LEGISLATIVE FIX’ FOR TALKRADIO

Democratic Congress Smacks Christians in the Face

Wednesday, May 2nd, 2007

hatecrime.jpgEye opening post, not getting much play on the news and in the blogsphere.

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For years, conservative and religious groups have warned that the day was coming when political correctness would become a matter of legislation. They fretted over perceived threats to religious speech and political opinion speech posed by the imposition of the type of expression law that has become common around the world. Critics scoffed and called them “alarmists.”

But that day may be here tomorrow.

As if the bill itself weren’t insulting enough, the House Leadership has scheduled HR 1592, the “Hate Crimes Bill” of 2007 for a floor vote on Thursday, May 3, while Christians around the country are praying for America on the National Day of Prayer.

A greater irony is difficult to imagine.

This is a bill that is resolutely opposed by the Christian right, not only for its codification of what they consider the ridiculous notion of gender identity bias, but also for the brazen and insulting way in which it equates the alleged problems of homosexuals with the long and continuing history of racial discrimination.Around the world, similar legislation has resulted in the persecution of clergy and the faithful, threatening both the freedom of speech and the physical liberty of those prosecuted and jailed for “hate crimes” involving nothing more than religious speech.

Read the full entry from the blog: Pardon My English

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More Than Half Of All Americans Are living off the Gubment

Monday, April 16th, 2007

democrats6.jpgMaybe the era of big government isn’t over, after all.

As Americans finish their annual tax-filing flurry to meet a Tuesday deadline, it is true that tax rates are lower than they were a few years ago. But according to a different yardstick, the federal government’s reach is expanding.

Over half of all Americans – 52.6 percent – now receive significant income from government programs, according to an analysis by Gary Shilling, an economist in Springfield, N.J. That’s up from 49.4 percent in 2000 and far above the 28.3 percent of Americans in 1950. If the trend continues, the percentage could rise within ten years to pass 55 percent, where it stood in 1980 on the eve of President’s Reagan’s move to scale back the size of government.

That two-decade shrink-the-government trend now appears over, if for no other reason than demographics. The aging baby-boomer generation is poised to receive big payments from Social Security and government healthcare programs.

“New Deal programs persist,” despite the Reagan revolution and its aftermath, says James Galbraith, an economist at the University of Texas in Austin. “They persist because they are largely successful and highly popular.”

Mr. Shilling’s analysis found that about 1 in 5 Americans hold a government job or a job reliant on federal spending. A similar number receive Social Security or a government pension. About 19 million others get food stamps, 2 million get subsidized housing, and 5 million get education grants. For all these categories, Mr. Shilling counted dependents as well as the direct recipients of government income.

Many Americans, in surveys, say they don’t like the way their tax money is spent. And a majority now says, in a reversal from a year ago, that their federal income taxes are too high, according to an April Gallup poll.

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This reparations crap again?

Tuesday, February 27th, 2007

This is just a FYI, I can’t come up with any way to comment on this stupid shit. I thought this was a dead issue, apparently not.

I don’t read enough to be a credible source on book suggestion. But I highly recommend you folks read this book by Thomas Sowell.
Frankly after reading it should be “required” reading for all Negros and liberals.
It puts articles like this in perspective.
But as I have said before if you white people want to write me a check out of guilt I’ll be happy to cash it, even ones from Bank of America! 

sowell2.jpgThis past weekend Virginia became the first state in the country to pass a resolution apologizing for the state’s role in slavery. Now, a federal bill that would establish a commission to study reparations proposals for African Americans has a chance to finally pass in Congress. New York, Atlanta and other major U.S. city governments have passed resolutions supporting the bill and Congress should too. Earl Ofari Hutchinson
 

(link) LOS ANGELES — A reparations bill currently floating around Congress and being debated in the House Judiciary Committee may, for the first time since it was hatched two decades ago, actually have a chance at passing. The idea to establish a reparations commission is the brainchild of Michigan Democrat John Conyers. It has been kicked around Congress since 1989, but supporters are optimistic that it will pass since Democrats now have control of the House. Several cities, including Chicago and New York, have passed resolutions in support of the bill. Los Angeles city council vote on a resolution Tuesday.

On the surface, the bill is straightforward, and even innocuous. It calls for establishing a commission to study reparations proposals for African-Americans, not for doling out money. But as the past hyper-charged and contentious history of this debate has amply shown, when it comes to talking about reparations it’s anything but simple and straightforward. Yet there are ten reasons why Congress should back the commission.

1. The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the blame for slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one. This designated a black slave as three-fifths of a person for tax and political representation purposes. It protected and nourished it in article four by mandating that all escaped slaves found anywhere in the nation be returned to their masters. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court reaffirmed that slaves remained slaves no matter where they were taken in the United States.

2. Major institutions profited from slavery. Several states and cities now require insurance companies to disclose whether they wrote policies insuring slaves. This is recognition that insurance companies made profits insuring slaves as property. The insurance industry was not the only culprit. Banks, shipping companies, and investment houses also made enormous profits from financing slave purchases, investments in southern land and products, and the transport and sale of slaves.

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‘Black Culture’ Blamed for Hurricane Katrina Woes

Sunday, January 28th, 2007

By Alison Espach
CNSNews.com Correspondent - Article Link

(CNSNews.com) - Nearly a year after Hurricane Katrina flooded the city of New Orleans, some prominent black conservatives and religious leaders blame cultural problems among African Americans, not the government, for “the great breakdown witnessed during and following” the natural disaster.
The conservative leaders will meet in Washington, D.C., on July 26 to discuss how best to transform the “human spirit,” the destruction of which kat1.jpgthey say “is at the heart” of the still evolving crisis in New Orleans.
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) on Tuesday awarded $4.2 billion — up to $150,000 for each Louisiana homeowner seeking to rebuild or sell their houses that were destroyed or damaged by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita last year.
But, many African Americans who were living in New Orleans at the time of Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent catastrophic flooding of the city believe the Bush administration’s slow response to the disaster was racially motivated.
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, the African American founder and president of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND) is not willing to blame the Bush administration. Instead, he faults what he calls the “black culture.”

TIMEOUT! Shhhhh!, you white folks are not suppose to know that shit. It gives ammunition to racist bastards to say “see, those ignorant ass negros are fucking shit up, killing each other and sucking the system dry. That is why they are in the condition that are in.”hurricane1.gif
Unfortunately that is true. Oh if there was some inspiring and angry negro who wanted to come here and chastize me for catering to the “whitey mentality”, I would simply say you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Black folks unfortunately segregate themselves culturally, even when they have the means to get out of a crime ridden and culturally destructive situation.
I remember this dude when I lived in Wichita. He worked for Boeing making almost three times what I was (low 6 figures) and he REFUSED, to move from one of the most crime ridden neighborhoods in Wichita. He basically told me that he would rather dodge bullets in a black neighborhoods rather than enduring the cold isolation racist ass white people would subject him to. Dude was living in a mental jail. So what is the rest of society suppose to do to help him get over that?
That mental jail causes a corrosive mix in predominantly black areas. It’s been said before that black and black crime is simply an expression of self hate.
No amount of bling, bling in your grill, or on some shiny rims or dollar sign necklaces is going to remedy that.
Is that culture, I guess. The less you have or the lack of self worth you have, flashing that bling is all you got. Your fucken priorities are all screwed up. Frankly niggas need to release themselves from those mental jails and spread out. Infiltrate the white world, meet other people and cultures.
Now don’t get me all wrong, white folks have their issues too. They just hide them better.
They can hide their misery with shiny cars too. But they also have the fancy homes and nice lawns. They have scheduled activities for the kids, dinner at the table, the obligatory family trip to church. The white worlds chaos is managed better, it’s more orderly, therefore more refined.
Now, to Katrina, Bush, racially motivated. That is the dumbest thing anybody could utter.
Look, I’m not an economist, I’m not a sociology expert, but one basic reason why the argument that Katrina and the governments response was racially motivated is that with conservatives, ok white folks, is that flooding people out of house and home is not profitable.
Just like with every other issue follow the money trail. Maybe in the old days racism trumped dollars in some (most) cases, but today oh hell no. The crime ridden negros were held up in their own area. Dollars were flowing in NOLA. Black folks were killing each other. For the racist fucks, what a great situation. Why would somebody want to scatter those negros around costing taxpayers billions, putting people out of work and screech “profit’ to a halt?
Ok, some might argue, well scattering that concentration of degenerate black folks was good for New Orleans,” you even said so Snoop.”  Now rich white folks can come back in and rebuild in a smaller, whiter NOLA.
So you don’t think there are some scheming black folks out there thinking the same thing?
Get real people. It’s not a white thing, or a racial thing. It’s not a Republican or Democrat thing. It’s a money thing. 
I still find it amusing that still, nobody factors in Mississippi and all the white folks who lost everything. White folks just can’t catch a break.
That tis your Snoop sociology lesson for today. Now the rest of the article.   

“It’s not President Bush’s responsibility to make us get up and take care of ourselves. That was a political ploy in order to make blacks believe the Republican Party was against them and that they really don’t care,” Peterson said.
Peterson will moderate the July 26 conference at the Heritage Foundation.
Rev. Grant Storm, who is the Caucasian minister and president of Conservative Christians for Reform, echoed Peterson’s view. “The mentality of ‘government’s going to bail me out. Where’s the government?’” is “in the black culture,” Storm said. “The mentality is instilled within their churches and in their homes — of ‘the government owes you, the government is your solution, and the government will come and help you.’71.jpg
“When the government doesn’t come and help them, frankly all they do is yap and complain,” said Storm, instead of “saying ‘Hey, I better go get a job, I better go on my own, I better go find an apartment, I better go take care of myself and my family.
“They are waiting for more FEMA money, they are waiting for more relief money and it ain’t coming, or it’s coming slow; meanwhile, the surrounding parishes — the predominantly white parishes — they are rebuilding on their own, and the same way in the Gulf of Mississippi,” said Storm. “Orleans — they still don’t have their flooded cars off the streets.”
Storm also noted that people living in project housing prior to its destruction from Hurricane Katrina are now demanding that the government quickly rebuild and return them to their old homes. One woman, Storm noted, is a 30-year resident of the projects who is threatening to sue the government.
“Now what in the heck is she doing in the housing projects for 30 years? It’s like they own them, but they don’t own them,” he said. “The government owns them, and that’s the mentality.”
Peterson places most of the blame for the lackluster hurricane response on New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.
“[H]e did nothing. He had the buses sitting there for days — over 200 buses. He made no attempt to use those buses in order to get the people out. He is a black Democrat mayor of the city; how come they didn’t blame him?” Peterson asked.
Storm and Peterson believe the federal government is also to blame for enabling the cultural problems because it fears being branded racist unless it acts.
“In general, you have a federal government very sensitive to that — the race issue — and very intimidated and they cater to that,” said Storm, who cited the example of the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s assistance to Hurricane Katrina evacuees.
“Not to say these people don’t need help,” Storm said, “but it went way, way beyond catering to some of this.”
Peterson said the black culture problem has also been fueled by “false black leaders.”
“Over the last 50 years, they have heard: ‘You need government’ from these false black leaders like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the NAACP. They have told black people ‘You need affirmative action, you need more welfare programs’ and that’s not what black folk need. They need less of that and more family,” Peterson said.
“They need to get married instead of having 70 percent of children out of wedlock. They need to teach their children to work by being an example of that,” he added.
The NAACP and the National Urban League did not return calls seeking comment on this article.

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No-spank bill on way

Friday, January 19th, 2007

The state Legislature is about to weigh in on a question that stirs impassioned debate among moms and dads: Should parents spank their children?

Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View, wants to outlaw spanking children up to 3 years old. If she succeeds, California would become the first state in the nation to explicitly ban parents from smacking their kids.

Making a swat on the behind a misdemeanor might seem a bit much for some — and the chances of the idea becoming law appear slim, at best — but Lieber begs to differ.

“I think it’s pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child 3 years old or younger,” Lieber said. “Is it OK to whip a 1-year-old or a 6-month-old or a newborn?”

The bill, which is still being drafted, will be written broadly, she added, prohibiting “any striking of a child, any corporal punishment, smacking, hitting, punching, any of that.” Lieber said it would be a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail or a fine up to $1,000, although a legal expert advising her on the proposal said first-time offenders would probably only have to attend parenting classes.

The idea is encountering skepticism even before it’s been formally introduced. Beyond the debate among child psychologists — many of whom believe limited spanking can be effective — the bill is sure to face questions over how practical it is to enforce and opposition from some legislators who generally oppose what they consider “nanny government.”

“Where do you stop?” asked Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, R-Irvine, who said he personally agrees children under 3 shouldn’t be spanked but has no desire to make it the law. “At what point are we going to say we should pass a bill that every parent has to read a minimum of 30 minutes every night to their child? This is right along those same lines.”

One San Jose mother of three said she believes spanking is a poor way to discipline children, but she also wondered whether a legislative ban makes sense. Should a mom who slaps her misbehaving kid in the supermarket, she asked, be liable for a crime?

“If my 6-year-old doesn’t put his clothes in the hamper, I’m not going to whack him. He just won’t get his clothes washed,” said Peggy Hertzberg, 38, who teaches parenting classes at the YWCA. “I think instead of banning spanking, parents need to learn different ways of disciplining and redirecting their children.”

Lieber conceived the idea while chatting with a family friend and legal expert in children’s issues worldwide. The friend, Thomas Nazario, said that while banning spanking might seem like a radical step for the United States, more than 10 European countries already do so. Sweden was the first, in 1979.

Nazario said there’s no good rationale for hitting a child under 3, so the state should draw a “bright line” in the law making it clear.

“Why do we allow parents to hit a little child and not someone their own size?” asked Nazario, a professor at the University of San Francisco Law School. “Everyone in the state is protected from physical violence, so where do you draw the line? To take a child and spank his little butt until he starts crying, some people would define that as physical violence.”

It’s unclear how a spanking ban would be enforced. Most slapping, after all, happens in the confines of a home, and most children up to age 3 aren’t capable of reporting it.

Doctors, social workers and others who believe a child has been abused are required by law to report it to authorities. Nazario said he and Lieber are still debating whether to treat slapping the same way, or simply to encourage those who witness it to report it. But in either case, said Lieber, the law “would allow people who view a beating to say, `Excuse me, that’s against the law.’ ”

Experts in child psychology disagree over whether spanking is a legitimate or effective way for parents to discipline their children. Professor Robert Larzelere, who has studied child discipline for 30 years, said his research shows spanking is fine, as long as it’s used sparingly and doesn’t escalate to abuse.

“If it’s used in a limited way,” the Oklahoma State University professor said, “it can be more effective than almost any other type of punishment.” He added that children 18 months old or younger shouldn’t be spanked at all, because they can’t understand why it’s happening.

As for Lieber’s proposal, the professor said: “I think this proposal is not just a step too far, it’s a leap too far. At least from a scientific perspective there really isn’t any research to support the idea that this would make things better for children.”

But Lieber is optimistic that lawmakers will find her proposal hard to resist. For the record, she does not have children and says she was not slapped as a child. But she does have a cat named Snoop, which her veterinarian told her never to hit.

“And if you never hit a cat,” Lieber said, “you should never hit a kid.”

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