Found this on Sweetness & Light posting just in case some of you folks did not know the following. Remember what I said Obama can’t win unless he starts to lean right
Obama’s anti-gun record is long.
In 2004, he voted against legislation drafted to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.
In 2003, he voted in support of legislation that would have effectively banned most of the privately held hunting shotguns, target rifles, and black powder rifles in Illinois.
And in 1996, Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
But now Obama’s running for President and claims no knowledge of this…
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun banObama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires–a staffer did–and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
“I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”
In 1996, when he was running for the Illinois State Senate, Obama submitted a questionnaire in which he answered questions about gun control. Obama said that he favored a ban on handguns
In the small town of Winnemucca Nevada a man bent on performing a mass shooting at a bar was stopped by an armed CCW permit holder who happened to be in the right place at the right time. The alleged mass murderer had already killed two victims & had injured two others with gunshot wounds, but after reloading to resume his shooting spree he was shot & killed by an armed CCW permit holder who was also at the bar. The alleged mass murderer & his two dead victims were already dead by the time Police arrived on the scene once again proving that when seconds count, only the immediate responders are already on the scene, while first responders (Police) are only minutes away. This is further proof that gun free zones are a travesty that must be ended.
. . .The officers on scene discovered three adult males who had died from obvious gunshot wounds. Two additional gunshot victims were also located. One of these victims, a 34 year old male, was transported to Humboldt General Hospital via private vehicle. The other victim, a 22 year old female, was transported via Humboldt County Ambulance . . .
. . . The subsequent investigation lead detectives to believe that Villagomez entered the bar and at some point began firing multiple rounds. At least two of these rounds struck and killed the other two decedents, Jose Torres age, 20 and his brother Margarito Torres, age 19 both of Winnemucca. At some point during this shooting spree Villagomez allegedly stopped and according to witnesses reloaded his . . . handgun and began shooting again. It was at this point that the second shooter, the Reno resident, produced a concealed handgun and proceeded to fire upon Villagomez who succumbed to his wounds. The Reno resident was in possession of a valid Concealed Carry Permit issued through the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office . . .
Luckily Nevada does not turn places that happen to serve alcohol for on premises consumption into a so-called “Gun Free Zone” or who knows how high the victim count could have been before Police could have arrived to end it. In Arizona & many other States citizens are not currently allowed to carry a defensive weapon into places that serve alcohol. It is long past time that we get rid of gun free zones, places where only the Police & the criminals are armed.
SHOCKING! Obama linked to gun control efforts… well duh!
Sunday, April 20th, 2008
Barack Obama’s presidential campaign has worked to assure uneasy gun owners that he believes the Constitution protects their rights and that he doesn’t want to take away their guns.
But before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.
The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners’ rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. And it paid to support a book called “Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.”
Obama’s eight years on the board of the Joyce Foundation, which paid him more than $70,000 in directors fees, do not in any way conflict with his campaign-trail support for the rights of gun owners, Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Obama’s presidential campaign, asserted in a statement issued to Politico this week.
LaBolt stressed that the foundation, which has assets of about $935 million, doesn’t take “detailed policy positions,” but rather uses its grants to “fuel a dialogue about how to address public policy issues like reducing gun violence.”
This retarded bitch tells a lie with every breath…
Clinton touted her experience with guns as she continued a weekend tirade against her Democratic rival Barack Obama’s controversial comments about “bitter” working-class voters, frustrated by economic woes and immigration, who “cling to guns or religion.” Obama later said he “regretted” the comments.The New York senator called Obama “elitist” and “out of touch” before reminiscing about shooting trips with her father and downing shots and beer with supporters in Indiana.
But shortly after Cheney’s challenge, Clinton said she had “misspoke” about her gun exploits as a child. “I fired a gun once, but I didn’t like it, and I didn’t recoil,” she said…
Compare that with what Mrs. Clinton originally said:
“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.
“You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.”
That it is quite a mouthful to “misspeak.” There is considerable difference between “taught me how to shoot” and “fired a gun once.”
Someone has been putting LSD in the liberal Kool-Aid again. Ontario Liberal Party leader Dalton McGuinty believes the proper response to a fatal stabbing at a Toronto high school is not to install metal detectors or increase security — which would amount to “Americanization” of Canadian schools — but to ban handguns.Warbles McGimpy:
Let’s ban handguns in Ontario. Let’s ban handguns across the country. Let’s declare war against handguns.
That way when people are attacked with knives, they’ll be less likely to cause trouble by defending themselves.
More predictably, competing moonbat Howard Hampton of the New Democratic Party blamed the stabbing on not enough money having been flushed down the extravagantly expensive boondoggle known as public education.
By Fred in Commentaries, Second Amendment - LinkWhen I was working in television, I spent quite a bit of time in New York City. There are lots of things about the place I like, but New York gun laws don’t fall in that category.
Anybody who knows me knows I’ve always cared deeply about the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. So I’ve always felt sort of relieved when I flew back home to where that particular civil liberty gets as much respect as the rest of the Bill of Rights.
Unfortunately, New York is trying, again, to force its ways on the rest of us, this time through the courts. First, they went after U.S. gun manufacturers, seeking through a lawsuit not only money but injunctive control over the entire industry. An act of congress in 2005 blocked, but did not end, that effort.
Now, the same activist federal judge from Brooklyn who provided Mayor Giuliani’s administration with the legal ruling it sought to sue gun makers, has done it again. Last week, he created a bizarre justification to allow New York City to sue out-of-state gun stores that sold guns that somehow ended up in criminal hands in the Big Apple.
The lawsuit has been a lesson in out-of-control government from the get-go. Mayor Bloomberg sent private investigators to make “straw” purchases – illegally buying guns for somebody else. According to the ATF, NY’s illegal “stings” interfered with ongoing investigations of real gun traffickers.
Obviously, New York won’t get much cash out of the few dozen shops being sued in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia; so the purpose can only be political. Some of those sued have already buckled under the financial strain of legal defense and agreed to live by New York City rules.
Ironically, all of this comes at a time of historically low violent crime rates and historically high gun ownership rates nationally. States where it is legal to carry guns are also at an all-time high, up to 40 from 10 in 1987 by NRA reckoning.
While this attack by New York City on the Second Amendment reinforces the importance of appointing judges who apply the law as written, there is another important legal point. Federalism, though usually seen as a protection of the states from the federal government, actually grew out of the need to protect states from other states that interfered in free commerce beyond their borders – as New York is doing today. In this case, we need Federalism to protect states from a big bully in New York City.
In response to the Virginia Tech massacre, a student at Hamline university in Minnesota sent an email to university officials saying that it should allow licensed gun owners to carry their weapons on campus as that would help keep the students safe. The university response?
“Hamline officials took swift action. On April 23, Scheffler received a letter informing him he’d been placed on interim suspension. To be considered for readmittance, he’d have to pay for a psychological evaluation and undergo any treatment deemed necessary, then meet with the dean of students, who would ultimately decide whether Scheffler was fit to return to the university.Source
Convicted and punished without trial in a way that would do the old Soviet Union proud — as we have come to expect of American universities. And what Stalinist has ever respected free speech rights?
This must in fact be a proud day for American universities: In one fell swoop they have denied a man his right to free speech, his right to bear arms and his right to due process. A trifecta!
Sadly, the right to due process has long been denied to students by American universities — with predictable abuses following on from that. The vast injustice of such proceedings actually killed a student in the Plinton case
If you care about constitutional law, and everybody should, the big news is that it looks as if the Supreme Court is going to hear a Second Amendment case some time next year. The event that sparked this legal fuse was a case brought by six D.C. residents who simply wanted functional firearms in their homes for self-defense. In response, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit struck down the District’s 31-year-old gun ban — one of the strictest in the nation.
Our individual right to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, may finally be confirmed by the high Court; but this means that we’re going to see increasing pressure on the Supreme Court from anti-gun rights activists who want the Constitution reinterpreted to fit their prejudices. The New York Times has already fired the first broadside.
A few days ago, the Gray Lady published a fascinating account of the case — fascinating but fundamentally flawed. In it, the central argument about the Second Amendment is pretty accurately described. Specifically, it is between those who see it as an individual right versus those who see it as a collective states’ right having more to do with the National Guard than the people.
BOSTON (AP) - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said “pow.” The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public’s “celebration of victimhood,” said the professor, Nicholas Winset.During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.
“A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration,” Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.
He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.
Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a “chilling effect” on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.
The college issued a statement saying: “Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language.”
Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn’t appear to find Winset’s demonstration offensive.
Crime rate plummeted after law required firearms for residents
As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.
In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.
The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.
Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
Rush segment on Dick “Turban” Durbin the Fairness Doctrine, Barrack: “verbal violence”
Wednesday, April 18th, 2007
Yes leftist elected officials using the tragedy to blame conservative talk radio and guns for the deaths at Virginia Tech, while ignoring the fact that this sick bastard gave off all the warning signs that he was nuts long before the shooting.
But Noooooo, “fat ass” Rosie wants to blame it on the NRA, Fox News, Republicans, Jesus, whoever yada, yada, yada… see You Tube clip below.
Liberals like Durbin, Obama, Olberman Rosie and Joy are just insufferable.
How you liberals manage to function with your colossal ignorance is beyond me. Not to mention being paid millions of dollars by advertisers to voice retarded views.
What a country!
The View: Gun Control now! More “Fox News misleads America” propaganda
Wednesday, April 18th, 2007
Rosie sad she can’t run America with her moronic liberal views.
Joy: Fox news, “they are a bunch of liars”
GAG: Barbara feels bad for Rosie, The View wants GUN CONTROL NOW!
Rosie: “If you want to be distracted by what is going on in Washington watch Fox news”
Rupert Murdock is evil!
Let me just say, people who always tell me that Fox news is biased, and completely ignore the fact that every other news organization is biased is a fool.
As a person on the right I have never said to anyone, don’t watch ABC, NBC, CBS or read the New York Times or any other fishwrap.
I believe that people should have access to all news sources and watch all news sources and you be the one that decides what news source is worthy of your time.
Liberals want to run this FOX NEWS IS A BUNCH OF LIARS bullshit because they simply want to “control” the information that people receive.
So to Rosie and Joy fuck off, I am smart enough to decipher the news that I receive.
Idiot bastards!
Yesterday, Joseph Palermo over at the Huffington Post was trying to tie the shootings at Virginia Tech into Bush via the war in Iraq,
“Also, if David Brooks and the Rightwing can blame video games and the violent movies coming out of Hollywood for the school shootings, then I think it is also fair to place some of the blame on our political leaders who called for us to invade and occupy Iraq. The bloodbath and carnage daily reported out of Iraq, as well as our young people going in and out of that death trap, provide the background noise for the violence that pervades our society.”
But Andrew Foster Altschul over at the HuffPo has now one upped him,
“But just when you think he can’t go any lower, President Bush always finds a way to outdo himself. Today, in the wake of the incomprehensible slaughter of thirty-three students at Virginia Tech, the president sent out his spokeswoman to - first and foremost - defend the killer.
“The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms,” said Perino, in the first White House response, adding the utterly meaningless “but that all laws must be followed,” thus nipping in the bud any crazy attempt to use this incident to have a discussion about gun rights in the United States.”
Now add this stupid shit:
At Democratic Underground, some of them are actually upset because W. & Laura Bush are going to, “Tuesday’s convocation at Virginia Tech to remember those affected by the deadliest campus violence ever in this country.”
Even a national tragedy like the shooting massacre on the campus of Virginia Tech will not delay the New York Times and congressional gun-control advocates in their quest to push their liberal agenda.
In the NY Times lead editorial today, which was likely written mere hours after the nation’s worst gun rampage in history and before the bodies had cooled, the gray lady is calling for more gun control. (In fact, the editorial was probably already largely written a long time ago, they just needed the “where,” “when” and number of victims.)
The Times didn’t have the sensibility to wait even 24 hours before calling for more gun control. From the editorial titled (not surprisingly) “Eight Years After Columbine”:
Yesterday’s mass shooting at Virginia Tech — the worst in American history — is another horrifying reminder that some of the gravest dangers Americans face come from killers at home armed with guns that are frighteningly easy to obtain.
Not much is known about the gunman, who killed himself, or about his motives or how he got his weapons, so it is premature to draw too many lessons from this tragedy. But it seems a safe bet that in one way or another, this will turn out to be another instance in which an unstable or criminally minded individual had no trouble arming himself and harming defenseless people. […]
Sympathy was not enough at the time of Columbine, and eight years later it is not enough. What is needed, urgently, is stronger controls over the lethal weapons that cause such wasteful carnage and such unbearable loss.
Besides the audacity of using this tragedy to immediately push their liberal agenda, the Times editorialists failed to mentioned that there is a complete gun ban on the campus of Virginia Tech, and that ban didn’t stop the shooter.
Like me, I’m sure many of you are busy tracking the news stories out of Blacksburg, Virginia. A person, presumably a student, armed with two semi-automatic pistols has hilled at least 32 people. The shooter is dead. Whether by his own hand, or at the hands of law enforcement, is not yet known.
As the initial shock wears off you can bet that the anti-Second Amendment people wall be coming out of the woodwork. By the time the evening network newscasts hit we will have no shortage of spokesmen for various anti-gun groups stepping forth to issue their tired call for an end to the private ownership of handguns.
This is undoubtedly the worst school shooting, high school, college or otherwise, in the history of our country. There are some facts, however, about some of these school shootings of which you probably are not aware. Do you know, for instance, that at least three shootings in high schools were stopped by civilians with guns? Civilians, not law enforcement. In one case a civilian was traveling past a school when he saw children running from the building. One told him that there was a student inside shooting people. The civilian pulled his gun, ran in side, and confronted the student. The student put down the gun and surrendered. In another case a high school vice-principal heard that there was a student in the hallways with a gun. He sprinted a half-mile to his car. He had a gun in his car so he had to park off campus. He then sprinted back with the gun to confront the student. Lives saved.
The point here is that you are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. Gun control programs will only succeed in getting the guns out of the hands of people who want them and need them for self-defense. Never, in the history of America’s gun control movement, has anyone set forth a viable program to get the guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit crimes. Similarly, the gun control movement will never give any fair coverage at all to the people who use guns to save their own lives, or the lives of others.
We’ll have much more to say about this tomorrow. For now, you should know that earlier this year the Virginia General Assembly failed to act on House Bill 1572. This bill would have allowed college students and employees to carry handguns on campus — with appropriate permits, of course. It died in subcommittee. Larry Hincker, a spokesman for Virginia Tech, the site of today’s carnage, said “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”
Well .. how’s today for safety?
If it had been legal for students, employees or faculty members with permits to carry guns on the campus, is it at all possible that there might be some students alive today who didn’t make it through the carnage? Do you think the actions of the Virginia General Assembly stopped the gunman from getting his guns and carrying them to the campus?
Mitt Romney made another mistake last week trying to inflate his record as a hunter, and he’s paying the price. Pat Bagley took advantage of the goof with this cartoon in the Salt Lake Tribune:
Romney rival Mike Huckabee also went to town, responding to a direct question about the episode from Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation yesterday (video):
“It’d be like me saying I was a lifelong golfer because I played putt-putt when I was 9 years old and I rode in a golf cart a couple of times.”
Romney, self-described lifelong hunter, has hunted on two occasions
Thursday, April 5th, 2007
I knew this reminded me of someone else…
BOSTON - To hear Mitt Romney talk on the campaign trail, you might think the Republican presidential candidate had a gun rack in the back of his pickup truck.
“I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life,” he said this week in Keene, N.H., to a man sporting a National Rifle Association cap. Yet the former Massachusetts governor’s hunting experience is limited to two trips at the bookends of his 60 years: as a 15-year-old, when he hunted rabbits with his cousins on a ranch in Idaho, and last year, when he shot quail on a fenced game preserve in Georgia.
I threw rocks at squirrels when I was a kid, does that count!?
Last year’s trip was an outing with major donors to the Republican Governors Association, which Romney headed at the time. An aide said Wednesday that Romney was not trying to mislead anyone,
BULLSHIT!
although he confirmed Romney had been hunting only on those occasions in his life.
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