By El Borak
From Lawrence.com/blogs - “Safe in the Fire Swamp”
Below is a post by El Borak on the living wage argument from Lawrence.com/blogs.
Maybe I’m getting old and crabby, maybe I do way to much reading and study on such issues on both sides that never see the debate evolve past the point of basic common sense.
Keep in mind I don’t own a business, I have helped start several business and not for profit entities so I understand wage and employment principals.
I think however I am too set in my ways politically to get past some of the nonsense of arguments people have on an issue that they frankly could not know anything about unless they dealt with the issue from both sides of the fence.
People who start businesses take risks, they are investing their times and lives to see a business flourish.
People who start businesses seek to gain independence from the daily grind many of us face by going to work for the massa’.
Some of us, myself included have a nice job enjoy the situation and circumstances and feel relatively comfortable salary wise. Today we have an all out assault and a growing battle of social and economic status.
The key to this battle is basically: much needs to be taken from those who have to provide for those who have not.
In these arguments individuals refuse to take into consideration personal accountability.
I never have not will I every be one who envies at an individual achievement.
Many in this society have far more than I, some have earned it and some may have obtained that by less than legal means.
But I am where I am based on my choices, some good and some bad.
All I have ever asked from this society is that I be allowed to “be” what I choose to be.
And this country allows for that plain and simple.
My social, personal and educational choices have me exactly where I should be.
Yes has race played a role in where I am, of course. Actually because of the color of my skin I was denied countless others positions and opportunities they were no where near as good as my current situation finds me. But there was no way of knowing that back then.
I personally don’t care about the economics of this argument. Because you still have to ask yourself if you are not are not making what you think you deserve then why not? These are personal questions and reflections, just like who you choose to fuck, marry, where you live, what car you drive. When your wage becomes a central question you must challenge yourself to figure out how you got in your particular circumstance.
A business owner did not make some idiot teenager get pregnant at 15, yes times are tough for her but why is that left up to the business owner or the city of Lawrence to rectify her stupidity.
What about Meth head Bob, or crack head Jack, uneducated, unmotivated contributing nothing to society nor his employer but we are asked to debate how we can help him manage financially based on some arbitrary wage figure that some businessman must comply with, all because he is a fucken crack or meth head who are you people kidding.
But cities like Lawrence and liberal communities around the country and forwarding this notion that businesses must reward the less educated and the less productive in our society by granting them pay that entitles them to live a I guess, peaceful and happy existence. Never mind that we can’t agree on that number. $7.00 per hour or $20
This brings out the oft used phrase by me at least Playa Hater.
People bitch and moan about the gap between the wealthy and the poor has increased, when 100 percent of the time the people doing the most bitching are the people who don’t have jack.
Certainly there are people in situations and circumstances that preclude them from being more productive members of society but in todays society its’ all about “I, I, I me me me.” gimmie some of what you got.
Check out the following post and I have added a couple of typical comments:
The Fort Wayne News-Sentinel asks, “Why bother?”
Those who advocate an increase in the minimum like to talk about a “living wage.” Where in this country is $7.25 an hour any more a living wage than $5.15? According to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, increasing the minimum to $7.25 would affect 4.4 percent of workers, giving them an average increase of 79 cents an hour, which would be an extra $1,580 a year. That would go a long way in San Francisco, wouldn’t it?
All this talk of a “living wage” is small minds with small solutions. If we raise the minimum wage to $7 or $9, we’ll just have to come back in a few years and do it again because of inflation. And besides, that’s for pikers.
We don’t need a “living wage.” We need a “Living Large Wage.”
We need a minimum wage of $500/hr. That’s right, a cool million a year.
The advantages of the “Living Large Wage” are overwhelming:
1) Everyone gets a raise but fatcat corporate CEOs - and they don’t need a raise anyway.
2) It solves unemployment, permanently. At a million a year, millions of people will retire to a life of luxury after just a few short years, freeing up those jobs for others. No more need for affirmative action or unemployment insurance. In fact, after a few years we may need to open the borders. I’m mean, someone’s gotta work and we’ll all be retired in Florida.
3) It solves the Social Security problem, permanently. Social Security and Medicare revenues would skyrocket. And besides, who cares about getting the $1000 a month or whatever from SocSec when you’re pulling in that every 2 hours by working?
4) It solves the budget deficit. Income tax receipts would skyrocket. With everyone paying the millionaires’ surtax, that would mean something like $360k/year PER WORKER in Federal government revenue. And the states would love it too.
5) It’s good for the economy. With all this new money, we’re going to need new houses, new cars, more boats and more bling. Consumer spending drives GDP, and it would be set on a rocket course.
6) It gives both parties a new lease on life. Democrats would have millions of new rich to hate, tax, and punish, and the GOP would have people who care about cutting taxes because they would actually have to pay them. Everybody wins.
Of course, I have only one thing to say to those who complain that this plan might have unforeseen economic consequences or that it may not work in reality as well as it seems to work on paper:
It’s obvious to me that you just hate the poor.
Ok I’m kinda merging the living wage and minimum wage discussions together. But one individual tries to define it:
“it’s tough to define what the living wage is. But i’d say the basic point is that a person working an honest days work, 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year shouldn’t be living in poverty, which is what is currently taking place for millions of Americans.
I don’t know if it should be 7 or 8 or 11, but it SHOULD go up with inflation, which is currently doesn’t do. I think local cites and states should decide what they think it should be for their area, but there should be a base set by the feds.”
Shit I don’t know what it should be but lets make it all good for everybody.
This is more for me to grasp so I did some Google University Research
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics: Sixty-three percent of minimum wage workers receive raises within one year of employment, and only 15 percent still earn the minimum wage after three years. Furthermore, only 5.3 percent of minimum wage earners are from households below the official poverty line; forty percent of minimum wage earners live in households with incomes $60,000 and higher; and, over 82 percent of minimum wage earners do not have dependents.
The U.S. Department of Labor also reports that the “proportion of hourly-paid workers earning the prevailing Federal minimum wage or less has trended downward since 1979.”
The U.S. Department of Labor reports: “According to Current Population Survey estimates for 2004, some 73.9 million American workers were paid at hourly rates, representing 59.8 percent of all wage and salary workers. Of those paid by the hour, 520,000 were reported as earning exactly $5.15.”
Workers earning the minimum wage or less tend to be young, single workers between the ages of 16 and 25. Only about two percent of workers over 25 years of age earn minimum wages.
Yes I know the argument is about living wage, but again I’m lumping the two.
But Sniff that is bullshit, it still boils down to compassion and greed:
“The question isn’t where wealth comes from, I think that’s clear…the question is why is it so much an aspiration that we ignore, and become apathetic to, the insanely large, growing gap between the rich and poor. Being “rich” is our greatest collective dream. Until we put a cork in our greed, reign in corruption, see this problem as EVERYONE’S problem, and start paying attention to what’s really important, real progress won’t be made. At this point, “Working poor” is only a start, and with the spectacle of the evening “news” programs, just something to keep us busy and entertained. I, however, will settle for the small step of raising the min. wage.”
Ok, so now we are greedy, and society is corrupt and!? But after much debate? whatever, El Borak has this:
“I LOVE that “human nature” stance, assures you of a long life on a pedestal without having to worry about looking at yourself or helping change minds.”
Sorry, but it’s simply a fact, and one that many have attempted to change through suasion and force, the rosary and the gulag. People act in their own self-interest, and they act to improve their own lives materially, often at the expense of others. If that could be changed, it would have been changed long ago.
But that’s also a perfect example of how many in the debate don’t deal with things as they are but as they wish them to be. Then they wonder why it never works out as they thought.
“There has to be a bottom line or thousands of people will fall below it, as they have. Tell me that’s not wrong.”
Which is fine, because I’m perfectly aware of the fact that 99% of people disagree with me on this. But the bottom line is that the bottom line does not make anyone’s labor worth any more than it was worth before. It simply separates the have-nots from the have-mores.
What the hell, if you people want me to jump on this minimum wage and living wage bandwagon why don’t you tie social and educational standards to it.
To earn this increased federally mandated minimum wage or a local living wage you must have a high school diploma, you must pass a competency test to prove you are not a total moron and have the capacity to be productive. Can you fucken add, can you count change, do you recognize the difference between the Big Mac picture and the Quarter Pounder picture.
How about this, if you beat your wife you will not qualify, if you are a drug fiend and a crackhead you do not qualify.
If you are a pedophile, you do not qualify, if you are a convicted felon you do not qualify. If you owe back child support the portion of the living wage you would have received goes to the child.
Tie performance to it as well. How many times are you late for work, how many days do you call in sick, how many times does your boyfriend and girlfriend call work asking for you.
Have you been involved in an altercation with a boyfriend or girlfriend at work, were customers present.
Have you been reprimanded on your appearance or body odor, do you “require” smoking breaks at work, (remember you’re a fucken minimum wage worker show some restraint and try to impress).
Is this raising the minimum wage and living wage bullshit really a means of helping the least of those in our society or is this another example of someone trying to squeeze more out of society on the backs of others.
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